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Why naked teenage angels?

Last post 10-16-2007, 3:41 PM by The weapon of God. 46 replies.
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  •  07-30-2007, 8:45 PM 337 in reply to 336

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    It's a shame that these are reaching non-Christian hands, who apparently are accepting the faulty theology as truth and being misled. Either that or the message is watered down so much that it isn't convicting, like something the is truly Christian should be.

    We will ultimately judge angels, but not here on Earth. You do make a seemingly valid point about Walter and Aaron, but why would the messenger lie to them about what part they are playing?

    My point about the messenger speaking God's words was that the writer should not have written it that way, being blasphemous. If this were a true story then of course His messenger could speak His words if He deemed it necessary. This is a work of fiction. You put words into God's mouth, that's usually blasphemy. And, yes, the writer made God the responsible party for the murder of the boy when he could easily have written it so the boy didn't get killed. The writer chose to make God the responsible party. Bad choice.

    Saul chose to become a follower of Christ. There are no instant conversions, as dramatic as some of them are. We have free will. If God chooses to orchestrate events so someone gets killed, that's fine. Writing it into a story when it can be avoided isn't very responsible, especially if non-Christians are looking at it and figuring it out: "Maybe God will have me killed if I quit the gang...hmmm..."

    It's sad that there is so very little true Christian content other than the lip service the characters pay to God.

  •  07-31-2007, 10:28 PM 341 in reply to 337

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    n0t0fth1s34rth:

    It's a shame that these are reaching non-Christian hands, who apparently are accepting the faulty theology as truth and being misled. Either that or the message is watered down so much that it isn't convicting, like something the is truly Christian should be.

    Or people can actually relate to the honest situations the characters experience.  Hence, readers are more inclined to stick with the books and thus begin to appreciate the biblical truths are the heart of the stories.

    Ultimately, a comic (Christian or secular) has to get the basics right like compelling characters and relevent stories to keep an audience.  Otherwise, the readers are going to drop the comic, no matter how positive it's underlying message is.

    We will ultimately judge angels, but not here on Earth. You do make a seemingly valid point about Walter and Aaron, but why would the messenger lie to them about what part they are playing?

    I don't see how the Messenger is being deceptive.  He simply told Walter and Aaron to take care of the angels.  If they do their job well, then Walter and Aaron will have proven worthy of much greater responsibilities like judging angels in Heaven.

    My point about the messenger speaking God's words was that the writer should not have written it that way, being blasphemous. If this were a true story then of course His messenger could speak His words if He deemed it necessary. This is a work of fiction. You put words into God's mouth, that's usually blasphemy. And, yes, the writer made God the responsible party for the murder of the boy when he could easily have written it so the boy didn't get killed. The writer chose to make God the responsible party. Bad choice.

    Saul chose to become a follower of Christ. There are no instant conversions, as dramatic as some of them are. We have free will. If God chooses to orchestrate events so someone gets killed, that's fine. Writing it into a story when it can be avoided isn't very responsible, especially if non-Christians are looking at it and figuring it out: "Maybe God will have me killed if I quit the gang...hmmm..."

    To be fair, God never promised that you will enjoy a long mortal life after you're saved.  However, you are promised an eternal life in Heaven.

    So, let's say a future issue of Genesis 5 confirms that Quincy did accept salvation through Jesus Christ.  (Note:  Issue #1 is just the first issue of the series and thus isn't going to reveal every plot twist.)  Is Quincy's death really tragic?  Nope because he's now in eternal paradise.  That simple fact give hope to gangbangers who think that death is final and thus fear it enough to stick with the gangs.

    So, Quincy's death is ultimately a good thing.  It also demonstrates that God doesn't take lives frivolously even though it may appear that way at first.

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  •  07-31-2007, 10:37 PM 342 in reply to 337

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    You know zeraze, there are lots of Christian comics out there. The best I've seen is the title Archangels: The Saga and Archangels: The Fall by Cahaba Productions ( cahabaproductions.com ). The digital comic version is online on ThySpace.com and you can download it for free right now if you're a member. Why not check it out and see for yourself? There are other titles such as Honor Studios' War in Paradise, Angel Wars, Bibleman, Christian Knight Comics, the soon to be launched Holy! Comics and more. There is a whole message board site called ChristianComics.net where you can see what else is being launched and so on. Zondervan is also publishing lots of Christian comics material including the very popular Bible Manga. You just need to type in Christian Comics into any search engine to see what's out there.

    From what I've heard about this title and line from Guardian I am very concerned and worried that this will do more damage than good for the cause of Christ. As a man about to go preach for a Pastoral call this Sunday for a church, I am very concerned. I could never recommend this product as it now stands to anyone in what could be my congregation. The same questions would come up as they have here:

    Why naked angels? Why cleavage shots? Why graphic violence for a comic? Why be on the verge of being blasphemous in a whole series? Why take things out of context - especialy for an angel to quote Scripture out of context is ludicrous. What Bible were you guys going by? What Pastors did you contact to make sure you were Biblically/theologically accurate? I try to support Christian products as much as possible - this is one I cannot at this time.


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  •  08-01-2007, 10:14 AM 343 in reply to 336

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    It seems to me that we sometimes get mad at christian comics for things easily dismissed in secular comics. Why be harder on our bretheren in the industry than we are on the world? Besides, what is, and what should be, are not the same.
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  •  08-01-2007, 9:13 PM 345 in reply to 343

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    Why be harder on them? Because they should know better. Because they represent us, and Christ. Because, if they truly believe these things or think that they are good representations of Christianity then perhaps they are moving away from orthodoxy and the true faith. I hope and pray not, but I have no other indicator at this point. I'm almost absolutely sure that I can speak for everyone who has a problem with the books in saying that we love the creators in Christian love and truly want to like and support these products and this company.

    And, you're right, we shouldn't personally put up with it in mainstream comics either, and strive for a higher standard. But when sinners do it (writers and artists who aren't Christians putting blasphemy, etc. in their books) they are doing it out of ignorance; when believers do it they need to answer to that same higher standard. Much of the time it is a learning experience, and how the individual takes the advice is usually very telling about the individual's faith. We are hoping for the best, that the creators here will realize what they have been doing and humbly submit to God's Word.

    Philippians 4:8
    Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

  •  08-02-2007, 9:54 AM 346 in reply to 345

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    Wow, Thats a good point. *D'oh*

    But i think whats going on here is that they just want to write more mature content for more mature readers. And i think if done correctly, it could work, after all, the Bible has all these things ands its the living word of God. Now do i think that makes sin and amorality in the name of realism okay? Obviously not. But i think i understand why they did it.

    By the way, Hiya Steve. How ya doin'? :)


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  •  08-02-2007, 8:15 PM 353 in reply to 346

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    Hey, man, good to have you over here!

    Obviously in comics (or stories) you need conflict to drive it. I understand that. But the creator/writer gets to choose what that conflict is...he isn't bound to any particular elements unless it is non-fiction. Why these writers chose these elements when they should know what kind of impact they will have is beyond me. There are plenty of other choices that they could have made that would not compromise the book or story. It's saddens me that all this talent and production is going towards the deep end.

  •  08-07-2007, 10:14 AM 364 in reply to 353

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    Has anybody spoken to the writer to get his take on this?
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  •  08-08-2007, 9:07 PM 370 in reply to 364

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    I'd love to do an interview...paging Michael Davis or Lovern Kindierski...paging Michael Davis or Lovern Kindierski...
  •  08-09-2007, 10:04 AM 371 in reply to 370

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    Yeah, Just be nice.:)
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  •  08-17-2007, 10:05 AM 423 in reply to 371

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    Hello everyone this is Michael Davis, creator of the Guardian Line (TGL). First I would like to say that I’m glad that we have an ongoing dialog like this. Second-Why ‘naked angels?’

    Well the answer to that question is this-it was used primarily as story device. The angels appear naked for a few reasons-the first is to show the beauty of God’s creation as well as representing their ‘newness’ to the world. It also gives us a chance to show humor when Aaron in issue 2 has to borrow clothes from his mom and Walter has to find some things for them to wear.

    Let me try and give you the how and why of TGL. These books are intended to show a clear distinction between those who follow God’s words and those who don’t. That’s it. Not every one of these books will please everyone and that is not the intention. The intention is to showcase good and evil in a clear ‘pick your side’ kind of way.

    Also something that has not popped up in the discussion is this-TGL is trying to reach and bring non-Christians into the fold. Should we not try and push the envelope a bit to do that? Is not the goal of a Christian comic book line to bring people to God? Or should we just be content to reach those who already walk in the way of the lord? I think we all know the answer to that.

    We all have a way in which we serve God. Everyone’s relationship with God is personal. That said one of the biggest issues regarding faith is what constitutes a ‘Good Christian?’ The answer to that is as varied as what constitutes a good ham sandwich. EVERYBODY will have an opinion. The question then becomes –why is one person’s way better than someone else’s –especially when BOTH parties love God?

    At TGL we respect everyone’s right to like or not like what we do, as I said every ones relationship with God is personal. TGL is like every other Christian comic book series in one regard-that is we are trying to create stories which promote the word of God. We may not get it right all the time but we like you are only human. We are flawed.

    Yes we are flawed but our intent has never been clearer. That intent is to show young people with adventure and fun the glory of God. To do that we may not please everybody but that’s OK because we respect your right to criticize and to question. In the end we both have the same goal-to do the will of the lord.
  •  08-17-2007, 10:15 AM 424 in reply to 370

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    I'm more than willing to do an interview. How do we set that up?

    I'm not on the site very often as I travel a great deal but if you send me your email though the 'contact' info someone will get it to me and I will contact you.

    Michael Davis.
  •  08-17-2007, 10:16 AM 425 in reply to 370

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    n0t0fth1s34rth:
    I'd love to do an interview...paging Michael Davis or Lovern Kindierski...paging Michael Davis or Lovern Kindierski...


    I'm more than willing to do an interview. How do we set that up?

    I'm not on the site very often as I travel a great deal but if you send me your email though the 'contact' info someone will get it to me and I will contact you.

    Michael Davis.
  •  08-17-2007, 10:53 AM 426 in reply to 425

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    M.Davis, I can totally relate to the part about your being human and not wanting to screw anything up. One of my biggest fears in writing christian comics is misrepresenting some matter of faith or doctrine. Having someone do something than later finding out that is wasn't such a good idea or that it went against scripture. But like the song goes, "All i can do is all i can do, but i keep on trying".
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  •  08-17-2007, 12:28 PM 428 in reply to 423

    Re: Why naked teenage angels?

    You guys are in this for money. Not for reaching people with the Gospel. You admit you have flawed approaches and flawed theology and yet you won't take the time to fix the problem, you want to just keep putting it out there as is so that you can hopefully get an audience. Why bother to present a "Christian" comic if it doesn't bring glory to God? Remember what Scripture says in 1 Corinthians 10:31?

    31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
    (NIV)

    Sell outs. You're in it to make money and no other reason. Get out of the business Guardian and quit embarrassing the Lord! Good bye Guardian line...


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